STATE OF THE AREA DEBATE
REPORT of the State of the Area Debate held on
7th June, 2007 at The Hub, Barry.
Present:
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Councillors Ms. M.E. Alexander
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(Leader) - Vale of Glamorgan Council
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Councillor N. Moore
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(Deputy Leader and Cabinet Member Finance, ICT
and Property) - Vale of Glamorgan Council
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Councillor S.C. Egan
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(Cabinet Member Social and Care Services)
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Councillor Mrs. V.M. Hartrey
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(Cabinet Member Legal and Public
Protection)
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Councillor G. John
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(Cabinet Member Leisure and Tourism)
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Councillor Mrs. M. Randall
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(Cabinet Member Human Resources)
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Councillor Mrs. M.R. Wilkinson
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(Cabinet Member Housing and Community
Safety)
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Councillors Miss. J. Cole and
K.R. Stockdale.
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Councillor Moore welcomed all present, and
thanked the audience for having attended. He submitted an
apology for absence on behalf of Councillor R.F. Curtis,
Cabinet Member for Visible and Building Services, who was unable to
attend due to family commitments. He also drew specific
attention to the attendance of Inspector A. Rice from the local
constabulary who would assist in responding to any queries where
appropriate.
Councillor Moore informed the audience of some
60+ that the composition of the Cabinet had, last December, changed
and it had been decided to adopt a fresh approach to the conduct of
the State of the Area Debates with local residents being
instrumental in drawing up the agenda. A period of 30 minutes
would be devoted to each of the three topics which had evoked the
greatest interest. A general question and answer session
would then be held. Should there be insufficient time for all
questions to be answered, members of the audience were requested to
complete questionnaires and deposit them in a box at the rear of
the Hall whereupon written answers would be provided in due
course.
Of the responses received to the invitation to
submit items for discussion, 25% had opted for Crime and Community
Safety, 20% for Waste and Recycling, 15% Parks and Grounds, 14%
Roads / Traffic, 12% Leisure Facilities, 8% Social Services and 6%
for Schools / Education.
The three topics to be discussed at the Debate
would therefore be:
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Crime and Community Safety;
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Waste and Recycling;
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Parks and Grounds.
Crime and Community Safety
Survey responses had indicated the following
topics to be of particular interest to the people of Barry:
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Neighbourhood Watch schemes
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Visible policing
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Safe areas for younger people
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Need for more police on the street
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Car crime - theft and damage.
Prior to discussing those issues in depth,
Councillor Wilkinson drew attention to the stall at the rear of the
room which offered some interesting gadgets relating to personal
safety - all of which were free of charge. Councillor
Wilkinson then went on to discuss the first of those topics, namely
Neighbourhood Watch, describing it as one of the biggest and most
successful schemes in the last few years. There were
currently 159 Neighbourhood Watches in Barry and room for
more. Schemes varied in size from one street to a whole
estate and all areas and sectors of the community were encouraged
to participate. As regards crime statistics, less than 1
burglary a day took place within the Vale of Glamorgan and the
theft of vehicles in the same area amounted to some 320 in the past
year. The “fear of crime” was, however, quite another
matter.
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Questions
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Answers
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What are the specific crime figures for
Barry?
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Inspector Rice responded that he did not have
the precise details but that he would make that information
available as soon as possible. In rough terms, 50-60% of all
crime in the Vale of Glamorgan occurred in Barry.
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Attention was drawn to unreported crime and
car crime in Barry and the question asked “what is the point of
reporting it?”
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The point was strongly made that only by the
community reporting crime could the Council identify resources to
help tackle it. The example of Alleygates was quoted whereby
back lanes had been blocked off in certain areas of the town where
crime had occurred and other complaints had been received.
That initiative had been very successful and was a prime example of
targeted spending. Inspector Rice confirmed that every car
crime that was reported was investigated. Councillor Moore
then reiterated that the statistics were vital in determining the
use of limited resources for both the Council and for the
police. He urged the audience to attend local PACT meetings
and for victims of crime to report those crimes, obtain an incident
number and thereby help ensure the accuracy of the statistics
which, in turn, would inform the decision to and funding of
remedial action.
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A resident of Usk Way questioned the “success”
of Neighbourhood Watch, stating that whilst commitments had been
received from 3 Police Officers in the last 20 years to visit the
scheme in that area, no such visit had ever taken place.
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The enquirer was requested to leave his name
and address with Inspector Rice who would look into the matter and
chase up the apparent inactivity.
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The Minister of the Elim Church, located on
the corner of Pyke and Crossways Streets, drew attention to the
fact that the recently installed Alleygates in the lane abutting
the Church were constantly left open. He asked whether the
Council monitored usage.
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The Council relied on the community to report
any matters of concern. The Council had installed over 200
Alleygates in Barry and had only one officer to look after
them. Where a problem was identified, the Council would
contact the residents concerned and remind them that it was in
their interests to keep the gates locked.
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Councillor Wilkinson then introduced the topic
of youth annoyance. As stated above the perception of the
fear of crime was not evidenced by the statistics. In order
to encourage young people off the streets the Council was trying to
engage them in more meaningful ways. PULSE worked on the
streets with young people and attempted to find out what they
wanted and to provide the same. Councillor Wilkinson referred
to a venue which had recently been opened in Llantwit Major which
had been designed to precisely to that end which had been very
successful. The Council also recognised the need to break the
cycle of underage drinking and was being very pro-active in that
effort.
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Questions
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Answers
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As referred to later in the meeting, attention
was drawn to the lack of parks and areas where youth could go for
recreational purposes, and specifically the fact that the Council
was allowing development to take place on such areas. If
parks and open areas were continued to be built upon the problem of
youth annoyance would not disappear. A plea was then made to
save the area of Brookfield Avenue Park which was the subject
of a recent planning application.
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It was explained that the land in question was
not owned by the Council, that it was a very small piece of land,
that it was not the intention to build on the Brookfield Avenue
Park area, and that any objections to the planning application
should be made in writing to the Planning Department following
which the planning application would be considered in accordance
with normal processes. Those processes would include
consideration of matters pertaining to traffic and highway safety
and public open space.
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The Minister from the Elim Church advised that
the Church wished to engage with the youth. When efforts had
been made to engage with the youth through the auspices of the
Council, the Council had responded that it did not engage with
faith-based groups. In such circumstances, he asked, who
could he contact given that he and members of his Church wished to
work in partnership to serve the community.
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The enquirer was requested to leave his
details and the request would be passed to the Safer Vale
Partnership for consideration.
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A further question was asked in relation to
potential residential development in the area of the Brookfield
Avenue park area in that any residents of that area would actively
discourage children / youths from utilising the site in the manner
they presently enjoyed. A young resident who currently played
football on the park asked where he and his colleagues would be
able to play.
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If and when residential development were to
take place on the land in question, a very large area would still
remain for children / youths to enjoy. The young footballer
was asked to leave his name and address and the Council would try
to encourage him to set up a PACT meeting for the youth in that
particular area.
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Play Rangers visited Stratford Green on
Wednesdays for 2 hours. A young resident who utilised the
area asked “what about the rest of the time?”
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Councillor Moore indicated that the way
forward was to continue talking to both the users of the area and
their parents to see how progress could be made in a way suitable
to all.
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A youth worker based at Area 41 indicated that
she and her colleagues had brought along young people to the
meeting and asked when they were going to be given the opportunity
to tell the Council what they wanted.
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Councillor Wilkinson confirmed that a meeting
would be set up to discuss such issues.
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The same representative from Area 41 then
referred to the refurbishment of Central Park, a facility that was
well utilised but which was closed at 8pm. She asked the
question “where do they go from there?”
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Councillor Moore reiterated that Council was
asking for the views of users. He undertook to arrange for a
Youth Worker to discuss with the enquirer a way forward.
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Waste and Recycling
Councillor Moore stated that the results of
the survey conducted by the Council had indicated that the issues
of most concern to the residents of Barry were:
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encouraging and promoting recycling
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accessibility of amenity sites
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litter in the town centre.
The audience was informed that the Council
currently recycled just over 30% of its waste which gave it a
ranking of 4th best out of the 22 councils in Wales for
recycling. It was explained that the current collection
arrangements for recycling were based on the existing
contract. A new contract would run from April 2008 and
negotiations would take place on the terms of that contract which
would include discussions on the introduction of mixed kerbside
recycling service from that date. The audience was reminded
that the Council now had a fortnightly green waste kerbside
collection and that the Council had projected that some 700 tonnes
of green waste would be collected in the current year (which would
represent a huge increase over the previous year). As regards
the accessibility of civic amenity sites, the access difficulties
to the site at Sully were fully realised and it was hoped that the
site would be removed to the Atlantic Trading Estate as part of a
fully resourced Waste Resource Centre - the construction of which
was scheduled to commence in 2008.
The following question and answer session then
ensued:
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Question
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Answer
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Why do recyclable materials have to be
separated?
Why do the tins / bottles etc. have to be
washed prior to being put out for collection?
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The current contract required that materials
be kept separate. The Council’s contractor was prepared to
process plastic and cardboard together but not other products, the
contract having just a 5% contamination rate.
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Why are refuse vehicles sometimes used for
recycling collections as opposed to purpose built kerbside
collection vehicles?
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Speed - it being noted, however, that the
materials would be separated later in the process.
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How often are recycling bins in car parks
emptied?
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That was dependant upon frequency of use and
it was admitted that bins were not always emptied as frequently as
required. The specific issue at Court Road was currently
being addressed with the contractor.
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A tenant of flats run by the Hafod Housing
Association drew attention to the fact that tenants had requested
the installation of recycling bins at the flats but that they had
not been delivered. She also drew attention to the issue of
litter picking in the area.
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Councillor Moore agreed to address the issues
raised.
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There appeared to be little correlation
between street cleaning schedules and those for rubbish / recycling
which frequently caused street cleaners to return to an area
following rubbish collection.
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It was explained that, where possible, street
cleansing was scheduled to occur following rubbish / recycling
collection but that it was not logistically possible to ensure that
that was the case in every area.
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The popularity of the Council’s special
collection service resulted in waste being dumped in lanes
etc. What steps could be taken to address the problem?
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The Council was aware of the need to address
the problem. There was a clear need to reduce the lengthy
delays between reporting the need for a collection and the actual
collection date. The aim was to reduce that wait to 2
weeks.
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Parks and Grounds
Councillor Moore indicated that the results of
the survey had shown that the particular topics residents wished to
discuss in relation to Barry were:
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children’s playground at Victoria Park and Victoria Park in
general
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Porthkerry Park
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footpaths
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new ball park / play park in Barry
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replanting of trees on kerbsides.
In respect of Victoria Park, Councillor Moore
informed those present that Council had recently increased its
Capital Programme by £170k. to finish the Victoria Park
development. It was announced that the construction of the
children’s play area and / or the multi-use games area would start
once negotiations with the contractor had been concluded. In
relation to Porthkerry Park, the audience was informed that the
drainage issues, a consequence of the geographical position of the
park, had been identified and that the Council was trying to
resolve the problem. If any other matters of concern had or
were to be identified, those present were requested to contact the
Council.
The following question and answer session then
ensued:
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Question
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Answer
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Any chance of the pillars being re-erected at
Cadoxton Park (by the Royal Hotel)?
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The balustrade would need to be custom
made. It was recognised that there had been problems in that
area for many years and it was hoped that the introduction of CCTV
would help reduce the incidents of vandalism.
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Attention was drawn by a worker in the Youth
Service to the fact that the park in the area of Belvedere Crescent
within the Castleland Ward (itself an identified deprived area) was
being used by drug addicts. Needles had been found in the
park itself, rendering the play area unsafe for children and
neither the police nor the Newydd Housing Association had taken
steps to address the problem.
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Inspector Rice responded that he was aware of
the problems and that he would step up action in the area.
Councillor Moore agreed to put the matter on the agenda for the
next PACT meeting.
The audience was reminded that on no account
should needles be picked up. The matter should be reported to
the Council and / or the police who employed officers trained in
that duty.
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Reference was made to the Knap Gardens and the
wonderful coastline generally in that area. The area had been
subject to long-term decline and was being addressed with only a
piece-meal approach.
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Monies had been allocated to refurbish the
Shelters and work was being undertaken to repair the collapsed
drain which would all contribute to alleviating the current eyesore
of the Knap Pool and Gardens area. It was explained that
Network Rail had now fitted an expensive filtration unit which
meant that the water quality of the feeder stream into the Lake had
improved. Contractors would be on site very soon when
excavation works would take place at the poolside and on the
promenade. The Lake itself would likely be drained in the
autumn, following which it would cleaned and re-filled. Work
was ongoing in conjunction with Richard Taylor Memorial Fund to
re-vamp the Skate Park - all of which would contribute to the
upgrading of the area.
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Why, despite the millions of pounds going into
Barry Waterfront, is there no plan for a children’s play area?
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Housing developers were required to install
such areas within their own developments. In addition to
those pocket play areas, attention was drawn to the fact that there
was a large area of land yet to be developed on the
Waterfront. One of the clear objectives of the Council was to
make that area a far more mixed use area incorporating improved
leisure and open space provision.
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Attention was drawn to the absence of
lavatories in parks. A particular reference was made to the
lack of facilities at the Parade and Romilly Park. Such
facilities were necessary for general wellbeing and particularly
important for women and children.
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The facilities at Romilly Park had been closed
due to their misuse by a section of the population. The
Council was aware that there were insufficient public toilets not
only in Barry but throughout the Vale and, as a first step, was
aiming to improve existing facilities. The Council was also
considering opening the Romilly Park facilities on a seasonal basis
when use of the facilities could be better controlled.
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The question was asked where could play areas
with excellent facilities such as could be found in Roath Park in
Cardiff be found in the Vale of Glamorgan and especially
Barry. All that seemed to exist were little areas with
sufficient equipment to cater for 10 or less children.
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The enquirer was asked to leave her name and
address in order that a list of existing play areas could be sent
but attention was drawn to the fact that this Council had neither
the money nor resources of Cardiff. Attention was also drawn
to the myriad of open spaces within Barry.
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Why is grass on the park in the vicinity of
Brookfield Avenue cut only twice a year? How can children
play in grass 18 inches to 2 feet high?
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The area in question was treated as a meadow,
therefore two cuts per annum was the norm. An undertaking was
given that the frequency with which the area was cut would be
reviewed, it being accepted that if the area was used by children
it needed to be cut more regularly.
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Given that children could not play ball games
on Stratford Green and that the park at Brookfield Avenue was
subject to a planning application, when and where would a new ball
/ play park be opened for children in Barry?
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The planning application referred to on land
in the vicinity of the Brookfield Avenue Park which was not in the
ownership of the Council. The owners of the land in question
had submitted a planning application as they were entitled to do,
but there was no guarantee that planning permission for the
construction of any dwellings would be given. What was
certain, however, was that the area of the parkland itself would
remain. Objectors would have the opportunity to lodge those
objections with the Planning Department and the planning
application would be progressed through the usual procedures.
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Open Mike Session
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Questions
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Answers
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Does the Council have a long-term plan for the
much needed regeneration of Barry (which would help address many of
the issues raised earlier in the meeting by e.g. paying for
services which needed funding such as play areas and affording
employment opportunities)?
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It was confirmed that the Council did have a
long-term plan and that long-term planning was vital for the future
of the area. The WAG had identified Barry as key in the
development of South East Wales. Great opportunities were
open in respect of the development of Barry as well as plenty of
challenges. The Local Development Plan, key to development
opportunities across the area, would be subject to widespread
consultation throughout each of its many processes. Further
development would take place on the Waterfront and the Council
would ensure that the benefits from such developments would spread
across the rest of the town.
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Attention was drawn to the excellent library
and art facilities in the new Town Hall and disappointment
expressed at the proposed violation of the integrity of the Gallery
by installing a café. The space would be better utilised for
community facilities/ entertainment.
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Councillor John stated that no decision had
yet been made regarding the future of the Gallery area but that he
would report the concerns of the enquirer to Cabinet and let her
now the outcome.
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Once again, the Council’s efforts relating to
the Town Hall and Library were applauded but the question asked
about the condition of shop fronts in Holton Road.
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The audience was informed that the Council’s
next priority after the paving works currently being undertaken was
to address the issue of shopfronts. It was explained that the
Council used to attract money from the Welsh Development Agency for
improving shopfronts but that that expenditure was no longer a
priority for the Welsh Assembly Government. Any improvement
to shopfronts would necessarily take some time to achieve but the
Council would work in partnership with the shopkeepers to progress
the same.
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Why doesn’t the Council join the Keep Wales
Tidy Group, and do something about the state of the Cold Brook?
In response, the effectiveness of the
Probation Service was questioned.
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The condition of the Cold Brook was known to
the Council. The Council did work with the Keep Wales Tidy
Group, although that group was not always available, and the
services of the Probation Service were often utilised.
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Given that St. Cyres was on two sites, when
will the Council build a new single site school in Penarth?
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The Council had now approved the School
Investment Strategy in which 3 secondary schools had been
identified for improvement, including St. Cyres. Design Teams
would be selected in September 2007. The Council’s
consultants had identified Cowbridge as the priority with Penarth
and Llantwit being identified thereafter in that order. The
consultants’ priorities had been based on the educational needs of
the children and the conditions of the premises. An
undertaking was given that work would take place in Penarth but no
firm date for the commencement of that work could be given.
The aim of the Council, however, was to make each of those schools
fit for purpose by 2012.
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A question was asked relating to the
refurbishment of local parks in Cadoxton when the Council appeared
to be refurbishing parks in other areas.
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Councillor Moore confirmed that work on
Victoria Park would be finalised this current year. He
stressed that the Council was here to listen and that, as local
member for the Cadoxton Ward, he would do what he could to improve
facilities where need was identified.
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Would Council work with Cardiff Council to
improve the bus service once enjoyed in Barry? The enquirer
referred to previous times when residents had had more frequent
services and wider route choice within the town itself, referring
in particular to those days when for example, residents could more
easily travel to and enjoy the facilities of Barry
Island.
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The audience was informed that the Council
worked closely with Cardiff and other bus providers relating to
services. The Council looked in particular at areas
throughout the Vale to identify pockets of need in consultation
with the community in an attempt to respond to gaps in
services. Given the Council’s limited resources and the
increasing demand for mobility, the Council was, however, unable to
meet all requirements. The audience was also reminded that
the Council had no control whatsoever over most bus routes within
the Vale of Glamorgan since they were commercial operations run by
the bus companies themselves.
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What was the Council’s position regarding the
development of the area of Old Harbour, which was rapidly becoming
a death trap in its current condition?
What progress had been made in respect of
WAG’s initiative to encourage marinas? The enquirer had
received no response from the Council or WAG to his enquiries in
that respect.
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The enquirer was informed that the Council was
currently looking at options for the siting of a marina in Barry
under the “Catching the Wave” WAG initiative. Consultants
were currently investigating three options within Barry and the
resultant study was likely to be completed within a month following
which a public report would then be made to the Council’s
Cabinet. Comments on those proposals would be invited at that
stage. Meanwhile, a response to his enquiries to the Council
would be expedited from the officer concerned.
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A question was asked relating to the provision
of satisfactory pedestrian access from Holton Road to the
Waterfront.
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The Council was going out to tender for the
footbridge from the bottom of Thompson Street to the Waterfront
within the next week or so. The Council was keen to join the
Waterfront with the other side of the railway line not just in that
area and would be looking at other options to cross the railway
line further west as that phase of the development
progressed. As regards the aforementioned footbridge, it was
anticipated that works would commence on site in late
summer.
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A question was asked in relation to the buses
used to transport children to and from school.
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The Council took school transport very
seriously and had completely reviewed its policies in recent
years. The Council was now regarded as a lead authority in
that respect. As regards the quality of the buses used, the
Traffic Commissioners regulated their suitability for the
transportation of school children. It was confirmed that the
Council only used vehicles judged fit for the purpose by the
Traffic Commissioners and that safety was paramount.
In response to a question relating to the
suitability of drivers, it was confirmed that the contractor
supplying the drivers was required to ensure that those drivers had
the necessary licences, had passed the required CRB checks and were
qualified to drive buses.
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At the conclusion of the meeting the Chairman
thanked everybody for attending and hoped that they had found it a
productive evening and were satisfied that their concerns had been
heard.