State of the Area Debate 2008 – Dinas
Powys
Date: 4 March 2008
Venue: Parish Hall
Start: 6:00pm
Finish: 8:30pm
Attendance: 37
Present:
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Councillor Margaret Alexander
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Leader
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Councillor Neil Moore
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Deputy Leader
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Councillor Rob Curtis
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Cabinet Member for Visible & Building
Services
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Councillor Chris Williams
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Cabinet Member for Planning &
Transportation
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Councillor Margaret Randall
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Cabinet Member for Human Resources &
Equalities
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Councillor Nigel Gibbs
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Cabinet Member for Education & Lifelong
Learning
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Councillor Stuart Egan
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Cabinet Member for Social & Care
Services
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Councillor Margaret Wilkinson
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Cabinet Member for Housing & Community
Safety
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Councillor Gwyn John
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Cabinet Member for Tourism & Leisure
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Councillor Val Hartrey
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Cabinet Member for Legal and Public
Protection.
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Councillor Clive Williams
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Mayor
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Apologies for Absence –
None were received
The Mayor welcomed all present and thanked the
audience for having attended the State of the Area in Dinas Powys
which as an event is in its sixth year. Also stating that we are
one of only a few Local Authorities that stage this type of event.
He then introduced the Deputy Leader to speak.
The Deputy Leader encouraged the audience to
ask questions of the Cabinet on the issues that that are of most
concern, and stressed that where questions could not be answered on
the night a written answers could be sent out.
The Deputy Leader thanked the Mayor and
everyone who had attended on the night then set out the itinerary
for the evening based upon the previous consultation exercise and
the more recent Public Opinion Survey. The Cabinet had returned to
Dinas Powys following a successful debate the previous year and
wanted to feedback on previous issues. The Deputy Leader introduced
the Cabinet Members and the Officers present then set out the house
rules for the evening’s debate.
The following areas were highlighted as the
main points of concern:
1. Roads &
Traffic
The main priority of the Vale of Glamorgan
Highway and Transport division is to reduce accidents via these
assessments; accident data, traffic speed and the proximity to
school. The Deputy Leader noted that we work in partnership
with the Safety Camera Partnership (a partnership with the Police
and other organisations) to determine the position of fixed and
mobile cameras. In relation to Dinas Powys works undertaken so far
include; the Safe Routes to School Schemes at St Andrews Major
which is due to finish by the 31 March 2008, the St Andrew’s and
Brittway Rd 20 mph zone which include speed cushions and a humped
zebra crossing, the St Andrews Rd and Westra Village 30 mph Vehicle
Activation Signs, St Andrews Rd and Westra Village street lighting
units, Cardiff Rd will have 30mph illuminated signs by 31 March
2008. We have other works proposed in the Safer Routes in the
Community Travel Plan which has identified a number of safety
concerns in this area and the bid will be submitted to the Welsh
Assembly Government (WAG) in the 2008 summer funding. The Deputy
Leader also spoke of the intention to install a 30mph Vehicle
Activation Sign on the Penyturnpike Rd, plus ‘build outs’ at the
Penyturnpike and Mill Rd section by road improvements and
moving the Give Way sign to improve visibility. The Deputy
Leader welcomed the audience to comment on these proposals in the
open mike session.
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Waste & Recycling
The Welsh Assembly Government (WAG)have given
the Vale targets for recycling and composting 2009 – 2010 which is
40% of municipal solid waste, of which 15% must be
compostable. To meet to these targets the Vale has set itself
targets in 2007 – 2008 of 35% with 11% of this percentage for
composting which is very close. The Deputy Leader stressed that we
are currently on target to reach the total set by WAG but can only
attain this figure with the public’s help.
He also mentioned that the Council are
considering recycling kitchen waste as a separate collection in a
pilot scheme in 2008 2009.
The collections of garden materials also need
to be increased at the kerbside which is due to commence on the 17
March 2008 and fortnightly.
A new recycling centre will be build in the
Atlantic Trading, Barry during 2008 costing roughly 1 million
pounds to replace the existing facility in Hayes road, Barry which
is inadequate.
3. Crime &
Community Safety
The Deputy Leader made the point that the Vale
of Glamorgan is still a safe place to live in but we are working in
Partnership with the Police to reduce crime levels.
The Deputy Leader mentioned the PACT meetings
and the prospect of introducing Youth PACTS in Dinas Powys,
Llantwit and Barry to help the Youth with their problems. He also
encouraged the setting up of Neighbourhood Watch Scheme for
residents to help eliminate or reduce local crime.
We have invested £5000 in a youth room in
Penarth and Llantwit major which local youths helped design and
provide them with a place to go.. The Pulse team; which are a
detached team of youth workers who work on the streets to help
encourage sporting opportunities, education and divert youngsters
away from trouble. There are early indications that the scheme has
so far proved very successful. The Pulse project is currently
working in Dinas Powys.
The Deputy Leader then spoke about the new
initiative called; ‘Breaking the Cycle’ which is related to under
age drinking. We are trying to discourage shops to sell alcohol to
young people by proxy sales where we send in young people to try
and buy alcohol in the shop. We have also purchased some headcams
to help us carry out surveillance in the area.
We have carried out a feasibility study in the
Vale on CCTV which looks at existing cameras in the Vale. We are
also looking at car crime and have introduced a scheme called ‘Clip
your Wings’ where we encourage car owners not to leave anything on
display in the vehicle..
4. Other Issues
The Deputy Leader spoke of the St Cyres School
development within the School Investment Strategy which we are
still looking at starting in the f9ollowing order; Cowbridge first
followed by St Cyres and then Llantwit.
The recent Public Opinion Survey showed that
there was an overall increase in satisfaction levels throughout the
Vale and increase in satisfaction levels of the services provided
by the Council. However, the Deputy Leader stressed that we
appreciate that there are still areas for improvement and we want
to hear about them from you this evening.
There were also areas for improvement that
came out of the study;
- The perception and fear or crime;
- The ability to influence decisions, which can be addressed at
meeting like this;
- Communicate information. (A new Website has been developed and
improved considerably from a very low position previously to one of
the best in the country. The website is still being developed and
improved upon.
The open mike session followed which allowed
the audience to pose questions to the Cabinet.
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Question
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Answer
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The traffic calming makes it very difficult to
get out of Dinas Powys Village. I have to leave before 7:45am or
wait until after 9:00am. What improvements are being made the other
end as most of the traffic comes from Barry.
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Cllr. Williams. We are working hard to get a
Dinas Powys bypass which has been muted for the last 70 years or
so. This scheme is slowly moving up the priority list. The
top priority at present are the links to Cardiff Airport. The Welsh
Assembly are now seriously looking at the bypass. I personally
would like to see a cycle path from the roundabout at Dinas and
Barry to the Merry Harriers.
Cllr. Moore. We keep on making the bid for the
bypass scheme but residents should know that the funding must come
from the central pot and is not something that the Council could
not afford to fund. We will keep on trying.
Rob Thomas. There is some news regarding this
issue. The good news for the Dinas Powys bypass is the schemes are
now prioritised on a regional basis through the South East Wales
Transport Alliance (SEWTA). Funding decisions are reliant on the
schemes making it through the regional process. There is currently
a shortlist of schemes across S.E Wales and the bypass is on this
list for initial assessment. This is the same process that we used
to get the Vale of Glamorgan Railway line opened.
The wider highway links between the Airport,
M4 and Barry / St Athan area is currently being assessed and we
have been able to influence their research to look at the access
issue of Barry-Dinas and Cardiff.
There is a developer consortium currently
looking at Barry Waterfront that as part of their initial work need
to assess the traffic implications of traffic issues through the
area.
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My concern is the wider highway links after
you get passed the Merry Marriers and into Cardiff – what
then? The peripheral links all around Cardiff need to be
improved and completed. It will be difficult to travel around the
Vale not just Dinas Powys even if the bypass is built.
Rob has primarily answered my question.
There is a feeling that Cardiff City Council
won’t work together irrespective of our wishes or concerns. It’s
time that WAG took this on and arbitrate between Councils.
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Rob Thomas. We have been able to get the
consultants to increase the scope of the research. The
completion of the Cardiff peripheral roads are also on the list
that the Dinas Bypass in on so both roads could be in completion
over the next few years. The point is well made and transport
issues know no boundaries. It is neither a Vale problem nor indeed
a Cardiff problem it’s more of a regional problem. It is a
difficult issue and Council’s have to work together and key issues
taken Nationally as Cardiff is a Capital City. We will continue to
raise the priority for our schemes at the regional level.
Cllr. Moore. It is a particularly good point.
We try to encourage them to look at our concerns and is a reason
why the regional Transport Plan has been developed. We will keep
plugging away.
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Dinas Powys has practically become gridlocked
in the morning on the main Rd back to the Station and from the
Penyturpike back through the Village. Because of the traffic other
arterial road are being congested by motorists trying their luck
through the smaller road to get on the main road slightly further
up. Everything is completely blocked at present so what are we to
do in the meantime until the bypass is built if ever.
Have we looked at the traffic lights sequences
at the Merry Harriers. A priority to Penarth traffic at the
lights.
There has been a massive increase in housing
development in Barry but no provision for extra traffic.
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Cllr. Williams. We all know that traffic and
parking is a universal problem around the Vale. We can all do are
little bit to alleviate the traffic in the area. I saw a recent
initiative in Marlow where all parents in the school were asked to
refrain from driving their children to school for a week. As a
Governor of the Murch School in Dinas I would like to see us do it
there as well. The traffic lights at Cogan are controlled by
Cardiff.
Cllr Moore. We look at the signal route at the
Merry Harriers because this set is controlled by us. I agree with
the Member to encourage parents to walk to school and use public
transport. It is a battle and we take your point forward.
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Congestion not helped by old roads and old
routes bringing traffic from large developments.
The residents were considerably alarmed by a
Plaid Cymru news letter that spoke of the many thousands of houses
that were to be built in Dinas Powys.
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Cllr. C. Williams. I am quite happy to defends
anything printed in ‘The Voice’ newsletter and certainly do not
recall thousands of houses being built around Dinas Powys. This
matter will all be considered via the Local Development Plan
(LDP).
Cllr Moore. I am not aware of any housing
development for Dinas Powys. Part of the LDP process consultation
does take place for Candidate Sites around the Vale and anybody can
suggest this.
Rob Thomas. The process is quite straight
forward. As part of the LDP we have a plan that takes us up to 2011
which allocates certain sites for development. We are already
working on our next plan for 2026 and the regulations laid down by
WAG acquires us to ask for expressions of interest from developers,
land owners and house owners or any party that feels they have
interest in certain sites. I can reassure everybody that we have
not received any form of consideration as yet. The next stage of
the development plan will take place around Autumn of the year and
subject to wide consultation with residents across the Vale. with
residents and Town & Community Councils. There have been
individually who have made a bid for these sites but no
consideration has been given to these sites. We have a very tough
job over the next 9 months or so to look at all these sites if any
have merit in their proposals.
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I accept everything you said but for the
people that read the leaflet were very sad and upset. It appeared
to be a statement of facts.
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Cllr. Moor. I think you have made a valuable
point but the officer has answered comprehensively and concur with
his comments. Rest assured we will monitor the LDP stages very
closely and make sure that there is plenty of consultation.
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Those of use who are retired do not have the
same problems alluded to earlier. My concern is the large vehicles
like buses and lorries that appear in and around the smaller routes
in Dinas. Particularly the buses that are too big for the roads.
Can I ask for a degree of widening at Long Meadow Drive.
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Cllr R. Curtis. We will get an engineer out to
this site. Can you please use the form provided to fill out the
specifics and we will get back to you.
Cllr. Williams. It was highlighted by us two
or three years ago. We will consider the widening of the road at
this point.
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There are no traffic wardens in Dinas Powys
and cars park on the double yellow lines by the Health Centre.
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PC. The point is well made, and rest
firmly with the police. I will take your comments and details and
try to help resolve the issue.
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I travel to Barry and 90% of car use is single
occupancy. Does the Council have a policy?
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We do have a policy and actively encourage car
sharing schemes through our employees.
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Cars parking at the bottom of Highwalls Ave
were the bus spot is.
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Cllr. Moore. Please fill out the specifics on
the form and submit it, We will investigate the matter.
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Social Services can’t cope with the issues
that face us in the vale. 70% to 80% of cases considered in the
Magistrates Court are drink or drug problems. What can we do to
stop the use of these substances; can you provide me with an update
please?
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Cllr. Moore. The Cabinet member for Social
Services isn’t here tonight but the Director is Phil Evans: The
Council’s approach has two key elements. 1) It receives
funding from central government to run the Youth Offending Service
(YOS). The budget for the service has been maintained despite
financial pressures and there is considerable work done with
children and young people who commit offences to tackle any
problems which might cause them to re-offend, including substance
misuse. One of the workers in the YOS specialises full time
in this area of work as well as encouraging young people to use
other facilities that offer more intensive help of this kind.
2) The YOS is developing more preventive services for those at risk
and this approach will supplement the work which the Council
already sponsors, for people of all ages, through the Community
Safety Partnership. Although much remains to be done,
partnerships with voluntary organisations and with colleagues in
health are delivering improved services.
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Can I have your assurances that the elderly
will be looked after. We have an aging population
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Cllr. Moore. We are aware of the aging
population. We are working with the care Homes and not putting any
less in the pot for adult services and we will not see it slide
away.
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In the last 7 years my Council Tax has gone up
massively. I am curious to know where the money is going.
Focusing purely on the vale it has increased 2 ¾ times than a
number of years ago. Why am I paying so much more for services that
you are struggling to deliver?
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Cllr. Moore. ere is a very simple explanation
for this question. After the reorganisation at the local authority
level, Cardiff were given 72% of the budget and the vale picked up
just 28%. Consequently we started from the lowest level of funding.
There was no consideration for public service. S. Glamorgan
decided how the money would be divided and consequently Cardiff had
the lions share. There was no consideration of the actual cost for
providing public services. For example. We received 28% of the
budget for highways and 55% of the network. This is how unfair our
level of funding has been and we continually play catch up. We
receive funding from 3 means.
- Rate support grant
- Share of Non Domestic Rates
- Council tax.
We have had to try and claw this back and
reduce the funding gap. Council Tax is capped however.
We are about 1 Million short on education.
When we came into power we inherited a deficit for Social Services
that we are trying to redress also. There is a delicate financial
balance to address.
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The roads are lousy albeit the services
provided by the Council we are generally satisfied with. I do not
get value for money regarding the state of the roads and Policing
the area. The fact that you are doing your best isn’t good
enough.
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Cllr. Moore. Policing is not our funding and
is a matter for them to answer. We have to prioritise the many
services that we provide. We are trying very hared to provide the
quality of services that you require baring in mind the funding
gaps in education and Social Services.
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I know the Vale has been playing catch-up. I
want to congratulate the Vale on the work they have done on litter
and recycling in Dinas Powys and also I would like to congratulate
the Vale for the new appointment for the Director of Social
Services. What is he going to do to liaise with Voluntary
Organisations and a little money spent on these would help the Vale
greatly.
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Cllr. Moore. We totally agree with you.
Cllr. Egan would concur with your views. Voluntary
Organisations can often do better than the Vale for the things that
we can’t do or provide. They are a very important aspect of the
community and play a major role.
Cllr R. Curtis. Thank you for your comments on
recycling, we are one of the best in Wales and it is down to you –
the residents. We are better than Cardiff but we will be driving
them up even further for the sake of the environment.
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Excellent Train Service 1st class.
Free passes to pensioners on the buses why not on trains. More cars
off the road people should use it more. What about nominal fares to
introduce people to public transport.
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Cllr. C. Williams
Excellent idea and one we should follow
up.
Cllr. Moore. It is something that the welsh
Assembly has been looking at, and something that we will look at
with SEWTA
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The draft LDP is a massive document would it
be possible to have an executive summary of it. It is very
difficult to read. Candidate sites – how do we stop them getting
onto the draft plan.
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Cllr. C. Williams. We will look at the
matter.
Cllr. Moore. An executive summary would be a
good idea however the reason it is so thick is because we are bound
be the guidelines on the content.
Rob Thomas. We have a Unitary Development Plan
and the LDP is a substantially different process, there are 6 or 7
documents within that bundle. One of which is a summary of the
options 8 pages long. Planning is a legal process and very much
guided by the regulations. If we fall foul of the regulations we
get legally challenged on it. I take your point that the vast
majority of the document is highly technical. We looked at 5
options which increased to 8 following public consultation and
decided to run with one of the options.
The summary page attempted to surmise the
chosen option and why we chose it. It is on the website and send
copies via cd in the interest of the environment.
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How are the pot holes repaired. They appear to
only fix the hole at not outside the area. Consequently the hole
appears the next day. Who is supervising the job that they do for
you?
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Cllr. R. Curtis. Can I refer you to Miles
Punter
Cllr. Moore. If the contractor isn’t doing the
job properly they will be asked back and do the job free.
Miles Punter. We have an intervention level
between the upper surface and the bottom of the hole. We have two
types of repair. 1. is fill the hole in and 2. Digging up the
outside edge and the inspector will recommend which type of repair
we should take. If you find that they come back we do not pay. If
you have specifics please write them down and we will investigate
further.
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About 2-3 years ago we had a costly new road
surface from Penyturnpike to Leckwith. Within months these circles
appeared and the road dug up again.
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Miles Punter. If the highway we put down
hasn’t stuck perhaps. There are faults with resurfaced areas on
occasion. If you give me the specifics I will get back to you.
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Council Tax – there have been several changes
to the formula in recent years with one major change by the Welsh
Assembly Government which took money away from roads and downgraded
the assessment in favour of depravation. Have these funding
arrangements worked against or in favour of the Vale of Glamorgan
and if against what representations have been made to WAG.
How have the levels of reserves over the years
changed?
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Cllr. Moore.
Some of the questions you raised were during a
time when your party were in the administration for the Vale and
you didn’t raise them then. However, there has been changes in the
Rate Support Grant and this will have an affect on any Council. You
are right about the depravation grants because this area doesn’t
have a high depravation grant allocation. It would probably be
better to ask your colleagues if they moved the money away from the
services you talked about because they were in control at the time.
The money that comes into the Council is dealt with on a priority
basis. Sometimes the money is vired to different areas.
Reserves are built up by Councils in
profitable times or when the Council decided not to spend for
various reasons, or windfalls from the sale of land. Due to this
the reserves are prone to fluctuate. Most of the reserves are set
aside for projects for instance, or provisions when times of
overspend. I will give you an example if you want: over the last 4
years the previous administration dipped into about 10 Million of
the reserves due to the overspending in Social Services. We came in
on the 6 December 2006 because of this matter and have implemented
a recovery plan. We have asked Social Services to pull there
spending back by 2 Million which is on track. We do not want to
prop up services that are not being managed properly. This may not
have been the answer you wanted but nevertheless the one that you
got.
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I live in Leckwith and we have a major problem
with fly tipping. What are the Council doing to stop the
problem.
CCTV cameras in the bushes by the lay-by
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Cllr R. Curtis. This has to do with
enforcement. The blight of fly tipping, there is no excuse for it.
We operate a free collection service for domestic properties. This
may possibly come from businesses in Cardiff. We do have an
active programme to try and catch these people. I ask all residents
to phone up the council when any incidences occur. We need to have
eyes and ears throughout this county to help us control this
matter.
Cllr. Moore.
I know of the areas you talk about and these
areas are known to us. We look for evidence at these sites.
We will have to take this matter on board.
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Fly tipping in the back of Bowval lane in
Cogan. I have seen people dumping their rubbish there repeatedly. I
have been told that it is not Council land. It is private land.
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Cllr. Moore. We do have a problem enforcing
matters on private land. We would firstly need to contact the land
owner to remove the rubbish. For health reasons it is possible,
depending on the type of materials, to remove on Health and safety
grounds. The responsibility is with the land owner
unfortunately.
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The Mayor thanked everyone for coming and ask
the Leader to close the evening.
The Leader ended the night by thanking the
Mayor for chairing the meeting and all the people who attended the
meeting and stressed that if anybody was dissatisfied or had any
problems with this administration they should contact us by email,
letter or telephone.